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Girl With Drapery in Ink by outsidelogic Girl With Drapery in Ink by outsidelogic
This is a bit of an experiment:  a ballpoint sketch on watercolor paper, and then shadows added with a thin black ink wash, and then lines darkened with brush and india ink, and then some highlights added digitally.  I feel like the digital part was sort of cheating, but I wanted to see what it would look like.  The original paper was too white to add highlights.  I think I need to get some tinted watercolor paper, if there is such a thing.

The pose was from my Andrew Loomis book, and I added the drapery.

I'm calling this "traditional mixed media"; not sure if that's correct.
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Panjimas84 Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Beautiful :D
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks!
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Panjimas84 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014  Student Digital Artist
My Pleasure :D
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hadasaugh Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Professional General Artist
This idea is wonderful...you could also experiment with different colors instead of black for your wash.  Just a thought...
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, that would be getting really radical for me...using color...life is complex enough already :)
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hadasaugh Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Professional General Artist
agree Laughing 
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Colin-Bentham Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Professional General Artist
Nicely done. quite a striking image. I love the linework :)
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you
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Colin-Bentham Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014  Professional General Artist
your welcome :)
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OrionShipworks Featured By Owner Edited Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I see how you got the lines to "flow" and, indeed, it gives this figure a life and movement,
The props are a nice touch. It really needs that rectangle in the back doesn't it.
As far as digital enhancement, my view is that all's fair in art. 

So you used white paper? The gray is a photo effect? If so, I suggest you try gray paper. That's all I use now.
Have you considered pastel? It allows white highlights on gray but won't buckle the paper like water color sometimes does.
Regarding the line work, some parts of her right leg have sort of think lines. In my view it's OK if the edge disappears
here and there. The viewer's eye has a remarkable ability to complete lines that we know must be there.
Heck, as far as I'm concerned, you can use Photoshop to narrow-up a few lines if you want.
Don't get me wrong - it's a nice drawing! And I especially like that "flow" thing you have going.
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks, Don.  Yep, still working on the flow thing.  The rectangle was an afterthought, but yeah I felt it needed something.

Yes, white paper, and I photographed it at night in my office, so the color came out sort of gray.  I just decided to darken it with Gimp.  I have been working with tinted paper, but, as you say, it buckles when wet.  I have some pastel paper somewhere; I should try that.  I also picked up (suggested on some other forum) some tinted printing paper...like what would be used for printing etchings or something I guess.  It's very thick and doesn't seem to buckle.  However, I bought it online and I'm not crazy about the colors I ended up with.  I'll do some more experimenting.

You're right with the lines...sometimes the damn brush gets away from me.  I haven't learned to control it yet...but sometimes the accidents add something to the picture...and sometimes not.

"..all's fair in art"?  Not sure I agree with that, but it's really just a personal thing with me I guess.  I like the image I post to look like what's lying on my drawing table.  It's like a personal challenge.  But digital enhancement is great if I want to try out an effect without having to do 10 versions of my picture.
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OrionShipworks Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I meant pastel chalk - instead of watercolor - to add highlights and shading. Just a thought. I don't know, maybe you don't like pastel. But it doesn't buckle the paper.

The rectangle in your drawing is crucial in my view. It balances the composition. Plus the straight lines are welcome contrast and amplify the curves.

Regard whether the ends justify the means, it's a personal decision. I'm trying to abandoned any self-restrictions. Whatever it takes and whatever form it ends up in is fine as long as I eventually reach what I was trying to express. Now I mix acrylic, oil, hard pastel, and soft pastel. I admit that it is troubling when sometimes the Photoshop image, or what comes out of the printer, is closer to what I had in mind. Often I do go back and make changes to the "real" piece based on what I've learned. But I have a couple of pictures that are Photoshop manipulations which have achieved exactly what I had in mind. In such cases I'm trying to accept that the digital image might as well be called the final work.
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ah ok.  It's not that I don't like pastels; I'm just REALLY into ink right now, and trying to achieve whatever concept or image I have in mind just with ink.  And there's so much to play around with: different inks, washes, papers, pens...one day I might even get radical and try color!

No objection to using digital, and if it lets you express what you want, that's cool.  It's just not where I'm at right now.
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legomaestro Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Man that actually turned out pretty well..
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Haha, you sound surprised...
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legomaestro Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha sorry, my thoughts glitched there for a moment. Sleep deprivation ftw!

It's impressive! I liked how it turned out. Had a whole lot of questions on how much you experiment and stuff but >..> I lost that whole post so yeah. Lemme gather my thoughts.

You pulled it off though definitely, and no no surprise :p
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ha, no worries.  You know, whenever you have questions, just ask.  And I totally hear you on the sleep deprivation thing...I love staying up late, but then there's this paying job I need to get up for :)
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KingOfSoul81 Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014   Traditional Artist
I'd like to see what you could do with washes.  Your line work is already great but add some ink washes here and there and that would be something.  I enjoy the spots where you thickened up the lines.  And hey...at least you fessed-up about adding the highlights digitally.  I've followed people for months before finding out they do all of their coloring and/or shading digitally.  Breaks my heart every single time.
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks. Basic digital coloring and shading seems ridiculously easy to me, and if you want to do it, I guess that's fine.  But I don't like the idea of having the picture I post look totally different from what's actually sitting on my drawing table.  I mean I used to to do it, but..I dunno...it just feels wrong.
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KingOfSoul81 Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2014   Traditional Artist
Yep, I honestly believe it should feel wrong because it's an obvious shortcut that takes little patience or practice.  Like you said, it's cool if that's your thing....but art is much more than pixels and that's being forgotten rapidly.  These days it seems pretty normal to start with a pencil sketch and then build it up digitally.  That's what the rock poster scene is all about.  It's great work....but it just feels like it's missing some main ingredient.  Except for the movie posters of Laurent Durieux.  You might like his stuff because of the pen and ink cross hatching influence.
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Dude!  I was going for the subtle dig at digital coloring, and you just come out with both guns firing!
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"...it should feel wrong because it's an obvious shortcut that takes little patience or practice."  Ouch...but so true.  Although admittedly there are people who do amazing things with it.

Laurent Durieux: interesting, his stuff looks like really well-done silkscreen prints.  Does he just do alt-movie posters?  They don't look like any movie posters I've seen.

And see, I discovered a cool thing about premium memberships: I can insert animated gifs in my comments.  How annoying, right?  This is Zoe, from the ill-fated TV series Firefly.  Have you ever seen it?  I don't watch much TV, but this one is great.
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KingOfSoul81 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014   Traditional Artist
Crap, I didn't mean it as a shot at you! I see how it could have looked like that. And people really achieve some amazing stuff in the medium.
Durieux just does limited edition screen prints of movie posters to the best of my knowledge. There's a bunch of people are doin' that these days.
Nifty trick with the gif! I haven't seen
the show but have heard good stuff about it.
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outsidelogic Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No worries...I didn't think it was directed at me.
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